tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post7901053424675085039..comments2024-01-02T04:55:07.853-05:00Comments on Pieces of Me: Evol. Psych Introduction Cont'dJLKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05396471022931966499noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-67784187261581564622009-02-03T17:18:00.000-05:002009-02-03T17:18:00.000-05:00Thanks for the article, Juniper. I'll probably ref...Thanks for the article, Juniper. <BR/><BR/>I'll probably refer back to it when I continue my post series on Evol Psych, as the author makes quite a few good points. <BR/><BR/>My main focus, I think, is going to stick to whether or not this line of research as it stands holds the promise of any benefits at all to society or if it will cause more harm than good. We'll see, though, as I delve further into the articles I have stored on my HD.JLKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05396471022931966499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-84702716925934645652009-01-26T16:06:00.000-05:002009-01-26T16:06:00.000-05:00I hate all this correlation = causation bullshit. ...<I>I hate all this correlation = causation bullshit. Terrible ass-monkey "science". Correlations are often interesting but don't insult my intelligence by trying to pass off coincidental relationships as cause-and-effect and expect me to buy it.</I><BR/><BR/>Amen.<BR/><BR/>Many anthropologists LOVE evol psych. My favorite former professor can't stand it, and he went out of his way to beat its typical sociobio ridiculousness into our heads. Here's an interesting article he called my attention to:<BR/><BR/>http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=four-fallacies<BR/><BR/>Have fun in Mexico!Juniper Shoemakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12139181817352528656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-4834011879165684422009-01-24T08:21:00.000-05:002009-01-24T08:21:00.000-05:00Ha, yeah, this is a real good one. I know for one ...Ha, yeah, this is a real good one. I know for one that I had the most frequent and outstanding sex with my husband when he was making the least money. :)<BR/><BR/>Also, I would like to know why less than 10% of these surveyed women have orgasms every time they have sex?!?! These chicks are getting the shaft.Candid Engineerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01722793931639972423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-35513711750498966672009-01-23T07:06:00.000-05:002009-01-23T07:06:00.000-05:00Before I start offering my criticism to the body o...<I>Before I start offering my criticism to the body of work that exists out there, I need to calm the fuck down so I can do it from a detached point of view and can thus avoid the "of course you think it sucks, you're a woman" rebuttals.</I><BR/><BR/>You don't need to "calm down" in order to dissect the shit effectively. Just sayin'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-36588062222467552342009-01-22T21:25:00.000-05:002009-01-22T21:25:00.000-05:00But Dr. Isis, that load of crap has been published...But Dr. Isis, that load of crap has been published in a major journal, along with lots of other loads of crap that look just like it.JLKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05396471022931966499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-43322797065468317322009-01-22T18:30:00.000-05:002009-01-22T18:30:00.000-05:00Oh sister, I don't know what kind of shenanigans P...Oh sister, I don't know what kind of shenanigans PP is sending you, but I assure you that article is a load of crap.Isis the Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13330006497489235490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-68176248699753186542009-01-21T16:26:00.000-05:002009-01-21T16:26:00.000-05:00I think I could like your blog *even* more than I ...I think I could like your blog *even* more than I already do :). That sounds cool.PhizzleDizzlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02036442165798690074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-91138810134776974992009-01-21T16:20:00.000-05:002009-01-21T16:20:00.000-05:00Phizz - I miss p's and q's! By the way, Le...Phizz - I miss p's and q's! By the way, Lewis Carroll wrote a bunch of AWESOME logical tests/problems with all his fantastical made-up words, which are even more fun than p's and q's.<BR/><BR/>They're included in Barnes & Noble's "Complete Works of Lewis Carroll"...a beautifully illustrated leather-bound edition available for less than $20.00. If you're as much a geek for logic problems as me (philosophy degree, what can I say?) I think you'll really like them.<BR/><BR/>I'm considering creating a weekly blog feature where I include one warm-up and one real problem -- what do you think?Ambivalent Academichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05908454781195782927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-63723328386902817012009-01-21T16:07:00.000-05:002009-01-21T16:07:00.000-05:00AA, you make a good point and I wrote badly. I th...AA, you make a good point and I wrote badly. I think the more important thing is not that you could make a "conclusion" that it's about wealth (because you'd then have to check that it's NOT everything else), but that you could pretty definitively say it's NOT caveman-providership.<BR/><BR/>This logical discussion is difficult without p's and q's :).<BR/><BR/>Anyway, good sex has to do with a lot more than money, anyway. I think we all agree on that!PhizzleDizzlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02036442165798690074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-91222572111305674752009-01-21T15:53:00.000-05:002009-01-21T15:53:00.000-05:00The study is all over the internet on news website...The study is all over the internet on news websites around the world. It took some digging to find the actual journal article. <BR/><BR/>It appears in the journal Evolution and Human Behavior:<BR/><BR/>http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(08)00117-7/abstract<BR/><BR/>I'll look for the full-text article through my MRU's database at some point, but it won't be today.JLKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05396471022931966499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-82597101821397186772009-01-21T15:30:00.000-05:002009-01-21T15:30:00.000-05:00Almost forgot ... I don't care enough to find out ...Almost forgot ... I don't care enough to find out for myself, but was this "study" published in Cosmopolitan or a similarly respected quality research publication!??Professor in Traininghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10903558307394806532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-6206905116147318702009-01-21T15:28:00.000-05:002009-01-21T15:28:00.000-05:00Haha - as I started to read your post my fingers w...Haha - as I started to read your post my fingers were itching to slam out a comment saying that the study was a crock of shit but you then said the exact same thing! Absolute fucking nonsense.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad to hear you're all having great nooky with your respective partners, btw!<BR/><BR/>And I'm not overly surprised that PP is reading posts about female orgasms :)Professor in Traininghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10903558307394806532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-45252880754641740692009-01-21T15:10:00.000-05:002009-01-21T15:10:00.000-05:00I agree that the study is flawed by not looking at...I agree that the study is flawed by not looking at net income from both partners (ar even the woman's income specifically...higher salary = higher self-esteem = more/better orgasms?).<BR/><BR/>But even if it did, could you make the <I>conclusion</I> that it has to do with wealth? Or maybe some other factor that also correlates, but is causatively independent of wealth?<BR/><BR/>My favorite illustration of the correlation/causation fallacy was an example given by one of my undergrad profs.<BR/><BR/>Correlation: Students who drink less soda score higher on exams.<BR/><BR/>False Conclusion: Caffeine consumption impairs mad exam skillz.<BR/><BR/>Alternative Explanation: Soda-drinkers are also more likely to a) get less sleep, b) eat more junk food rather than a well-balanced diet, and c) get distracted.<BR/><BR/>You could argue that secondary correlations A and C might implicate caffeine indirectly, but in the case of B, soda consumption is merely indicative of another possible cause for poor exam scores. In this case, the hypothesis is that poor diet could be a causative agent for poor exam scores...soda consumption is merely a metric or even another correlation of the "real" cause.Ambivalent Academichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05908454781195782927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-85509872837711914902009-01-21T14:37:00.000-05:002009-01-21T14:37:00.000-05:00I know, right? Correlation/causation is such bull...I know, right? Correlation/causation is such bullshit, and this relates to this falsifiable discussion. <BR/><BR/>You can't say there is causation here in the first place, because correlation != causation. But the fact that they didn't bother to check that it was SPECIFICALLY male income, and not income overall, makes this whole thing a farce. If good orgasms also correlate with chick income, then you could draw the conclusion easily that is has something to do with wealth, and not to do with caveman-providership. How hard would that be? Infinitely more "buyable" than this drivel.<BR/><BR/>And AA, hooray for men who do their jobs in the sack, even if they don't with their paychecks (I kid, I kid!) :)PhizzleDizzlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02036442165798690074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-87856833560580938542009-01-21T14:25:00.000-05:002009-01-21T14:25:00.000-05:00Ditto what Phizz said...except I'm having great se...Ditto what Phizz said...except I'm having great sex with BH, not with Mr. Phizzle Dizzle.<BR/><BR/>BH is also decidedly NOT rich - hell I'm making more $$$ than him right now I'm a <I>grad student</I>. He's an all-around fantastic guy, bedroom prowess included. Frankly, more $$$ would be nice but I really don't see that increasing my sexual satisfaction simply because I don't see how it could get any better than it currently is. NOTHING to do with my partner's income.<BR/><BR/>I hate all this correlation = causation bullshit. Terrible ass-monkey "science". Correlations are often interesting but don't insult my intelligence by trying to pass off coincidental relationships as cause-and-effect and expect me to buy it.<BR/><BR/>Here's an alternative explanation: higher income = greater wealth = fewer financial worries = less overall anxiety = better/more orgasms. Also not necessarily causative but if you're hunting for a causative hypothesis to explain this interesting correlation that's where <I>I'd</I> start.<BR/><BR/>But hell, what do I know.<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah, and self-reported sexual satisfaction surveys...do you trust them?Ambivalent Academichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05908454781195782927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6719356366303333951.post-39175027971291919322009-01-21T14:09:00.000-05:002009-01-21T14:09:00.000-05:00talk about bullshit. they should do a "study" lin...talk about bullshit. they should do a "study" linking orgasm with female income, then maybe they can conclude that rich people have better sex instead of this tenuously shitty conclusion.<BR/><BR/>all i know is, i have good sex and mr. phizz ain't rich, so fuck that shit.PhizzleDizzlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02036442165798690074noreply@blogger.com